Comments on: With Osipov on the nature of God http://www.3waystolive.com/2008/05/with-osipov-on-the-nature-of-god.html Which is your way? Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:42:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Vitali http://www.3waystolive.com/2008/05/with-osipov-on-the-nature-of-god.html#comment-163 Vitali Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:16:36 +0000 http://www.3waystolive.com/?p=161#comment-163 Hmm, great to see you here, Kirill! So what you are saying then is that Osipov's view does not faithfully represent the Orthodox view. Hmm, he does claim to speak for the church though. But in any case, nice to know. I agree with you first statement, but will elaborate more on it in my official response. Hmm, great to see you here, Kirill!

So what you are saying then is that Osipov’s view does not faithfully represent the Orthodox view. Hmm, he does claim to speak for the church though. But in any case, nice to know.

I agree with you first statement, but will elaborate more on it in my official response.

]]> By: Kirill Zagorodnov http://www.3waystolive.com/2008/05/with-osipov-on-the-nature-of-god.html#comment-160 Kirill Zagorodnov Sat, 31 May 2008 16:24:09 +0000 http://www.3waystolive.com/?p=161#comment-160 Seeing the God more judging or loving I think depends more not on the doctrine (Western or Eastern) but on the defenite man. As the Lord is your loving father, so how can we see now anything else, than he actually feels about us? These relationships are the core of prayer life of a man. The Lord can be extremely loving and extremely judging. We cannot hide any of these sides of his personality. And their interconnection is a secret and that's what we cannot perceive and we cannot invent an algorithm of our actions or feelings in respect to other people. They both are present in him fully. I can even say that Eastern Church emphasises both love and judge and tries to obstain from particular feelings (that is opposite to what Western Church often does). During the Orthodox Liturgy the songs and prayers almost always are sung or said in a neutral way, without any expression so that they not impose any external feelings on a visitor of a church. Seeing the God more judging or loving I think depends more not on the doctrine (Western or Eastern) but on the defenite man. As the Lord is your loving father, so how can we see now anything else, than he actually feels about us? These relationships are the core of prayer life of a man.
The Lord can be extremely loving and extremely judging. We cannot hide any of these sides of his personality. And their interconnection is a secret and that’s what we cannot perceive and we cannot invent an algorithm of our actions or feelings in respect to other people. They both are present in him fully.
I can even say that Eastern Church emphasises both love and judge and tries to obstain from particular feelings (that is opposite to what Western Church often does).
During the Orthodox Liturgy the songs and prayers almost always are sung or said in a neutral way, without any expression so that they not impose any external feelings on a visitor of a church.

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